American Base Shooting

[abuYasir]

I think more information will make this clearer.
It is a romantic view that Hassan 'found the light' and realised that not only was his position in the US army untenable but he must do his 'duty' by killing as many of our enemy as he can.
However, one cannot but help draw an analagy with 9/11. That event brought home to American public opinion the so called necessity for US global intervention. We may debate as to who was responsible but it surely served American interests.
This latest episode also serves those same interest. With flagging support for the American war in Afghanistan, the killing of American troops on home soil was a shock to the US psyche.

[islam4life]

Originally Posted by abuYasir

I think more information will make this clearer.
It is a romantic view that Hassan 'found the light' and realised that not only was his position in the US army untenable but he must do his 'duty' by killing as many of our enemy as he can.
However, one cannot but help draw an analagy with 9/11. That event brought home to American public opinion the so called necessity for US global intervention. We may debate as to who was responsible but it surely served American interests.
This latest episode also serves those same interest. With flagging support for the American war in Afghanistan, the killing of American troops on home soil was a shock to the US psyche.

That's the key outcome of this incident.

[dawahcarrier25]

Originally Posted by islam4life

To kill 13 people and wound 29 in a matter of minutes, supposedly thrusting a hundred rounds of ammo into the clips of his two pistols, Hasan would have to be John Wayne and Superman in one.

Some reports are saying he had "accomplices" as well...

the Columbine massacre took 49 minutes and killed 20 people (not including the shooters) and injured 24.

the recent Virginia Tech massacre by the Korean student, Seung-Hui Cho, took 11 minutes killed 33 (including one Muslim professor who was getting into halaqats with the shebaab) and injured 23

What do both have in common?

Among the illiterate American talk radio/trailer park crowd BOTH are alleged to have been done by al Quaeda. There are dozens of blogs with crackpot theories attempting to "prove" that both Columbine and the VT massacres were the first acts of al quaeda, OBL, Zarqawi, etc..

The above crackpot theories are an example of what happens when you lose touch with reality.

[islam4life]

Originally Posted by dawahcarrier25

the Columbine massacre took 49 minutes and killed 20 people (not including the shooters) and injured 24.

the recent Virginia Tech massacre by the Korean student, Seung-Hui Cho, took 11 minutes killed 33 (including one Muslim professor who was getting into halaqats with the shebaab) and injured 23

What do both have in common?

Among the illiterate American talk radio/trailer park crowd BOTH are alleged to have been done by al Quaeda. There are dozens of blogs with crackpot theories attempting to "prove" that both Columbine and the VT massacres were the first acts of al quaeda, OBL, Zarqawi, etc..

The above crackpot theories are an example of what happens when you lose touch with reality.

Indeed.

It's quite ridiculous.

Hasan coincidentally received his masters in chemistry at Virginia Tech, famous for the infamous Seung-Hui Cho. Seung-Hui’s sister curiously works for a State Department office that oversees billions of dollars in American aid for Iraq.

[unity]

If any group is going to claim political leadership of the Ummah it behooves them to speak and discuss issues in a manner grounded in reality.

Excellent point. It almost goes without saying. Official release by this Group (HT) aims to this always.

[open mind]

We can't assume conspiracy because it may serve US interests anymore than we can rule conspiracy out without knowing the full facts.

[Killer_T]

Al-Jazeera Interview:
> Anwaral-Awlaki Regarding
> Malik Nidal Hasan
>
>
>
> Al-Jazeera
> Satellite Network Interview With Yemeni-American Cleric
> Shaykh Anwar al-Awlaki
> Regarding His Alleged Role In Radicalizing Maj. Malik Nidal
>
> Hasan
> Released on: December 23,
> 2009
>
>
>
> "While the American
> president was announcing that a threat to his country’s
> security comes from over
> the borders and specifically from Afghanistan and Pakistan
> as current regions of
> threat, and Yemen and Somalia as future regions of threat,
> the American Army
> Major Nidal Hasan—Muslim from Palestinian origins—was
> planning to kill American
> officers and soldiers inside the biggest American military
> base in the World
> (Fort Hood Base)"
>
> "Major Nidal had planned and prepared for the biggest
> operation inside the United States after September 11th; he
> executed it on
> November 5th and it led to the death of 13 officers and
> soldiers, while more
> than thirty were wounded."
>
> "Four months before executing his operation,
> Major Nidal corresponded with Sheikh Anwar al- Awlaki—an
> American from Yemeni
> roots—and had asked him about the legitimacy of this kind
> of operation, and
> [also] his role as a Muslim in the American Army."
>
> "Anwar al-Awlaki,
> whose tape recordings in the United States and the West
> exceeded the sale of 5
> million—according to the distribution company—did not
> stop speaking to his
> audience in the West through his Internet website and the
> open chat-rooms where
> he lectures and answers questions directly."
>
> "Andperhaps Nidal Hasan was
> one of those interested in, and from behind one of the
> computer screens he may
> have been one of the followers of, and affected by, Sheikh
> al-Awlaki, and that
> is apparent in one his [Nidal] letters, saying: ‘you are
> the only Muslim Imam
> who lived in America, and I trust that you understand the
> words of Allah and
> knows how to communicate with the Western mentality well,
> and I do not speak
> about such subjects like I speak [about them] with
> you.’"
>
> "Al-Jazeerah
> Net interviewed the Sheikh Anwar
> al-Awlaki:"
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "SheikhAnwar, what is your relation with
> Nidal Hasan, and when did it begin?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "Brother Nidal, I ask
> Allah to protect and solidify him, used to pray in my
> mosque while I was an Imam
> in Dar al-Hijrah [Mosque]"
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "When did the first meeting
> between you and him happen?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "About 9 years ago when I was
> Imam of Dar al-Hijrah in the Capital Washington D.C., and
> it is one of the
> biggest Islamic Centers in America."
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "There are reports
> that mentioned a bigger connection than that?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "Brother
> Nidal also corresponded with me via e-mail from last year
> until the middle of
> this year 2009"
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "When did Nidal’s correspondence
> begin?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "The first letter from Nidal was on December 17th,
> 2008"
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "Who contacted the other first, you or
> him?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "He contacted me
> first."
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "What did he say?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "Heasked
> whether killing American soldiers and officers is lawful or
>
> not?"
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "He asked you this question more than a year before
> he executed the operation?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "Yes, and I wonder where were
> the American security forces that one day claimed they can
> read the numbers of
> any license plate, anywhere in the world, from
> space."
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "What did Nidal want from you in most of his
> messages?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "Of course, as I mentioned to you, his first
> message was about the ruling of a Muslim soldier serving
> the American Army,
> killing his colleagues. And, via a group of letters Nidal
> explained his point of
> view about killing Israeli civilians and he supported that,
> and through these
> letters he mentioned Sharia-based and realistic excuses for
> targeting the Jews
> with rockets. Also, there were some messages through which
> he asked about a
> method of transferring some money to us in contributions
> for charity
> works."
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "There is other proof about your relationship
> with Nidal; from those is that you commended Nidal’s
> actions three days after he
> carried out the operation?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "Agreeing with the operation
> was because what brother Nidal did was a heroic act, and I
> was careful to
> express my opinion about what happened because many Islamic
> organizations and
> advocates in the West condemned the operation, so it was
> crucial that an
> independent voice connected with Muslims in America and the
> West is heard, to
> clarify the truth, especially in regards to what Nidal has
> done, despite that
> the media attempted to connect him with me from the
> beginning."
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "Why did you bless the acts of Nidal
> Hasan?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "BecauseNidal’s target was a military target
> inside America and there is no dispute over it. Also, these
> soldiers weren’t
> normal ones, but they were prepared and getting ready to
> take off to fight and
> kill weakened Muslim and commit crimes in Afghanistan. So,
> how could I, or other
> advocates, be silent, after some of those claiming Sharia
> knowledge criminalized
> Nidal’s operation. If the dispute was over who dies in
> them [operations] of
> non-fighters, then what is their excuse for objecting now
> when the target is
> solely military?"
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "How can you agree with what Nidal did
> as he betrayed his American nation?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "More important than
> that is that he did not betray his religion. Working in the
> American Army to
> kill Muslim is a betrayal to Islam. American today is
> Yesterday’s pharaoh; it is
> an enemy to Islam. A Muslim is not allowed to work in the
> American Army unless
> he intends to walk the steps of our Brother Nidal. Loyalty
> in Islam is to Allah,
> His messenger and the believers, and not to a handful of
> soil they call
> "nation." The American Muslim’s loyalty is to
> the Muslim Nation and not to
> America, and brother Nidal is a proof on that through
> [executing] his blessed
> operation, so may Allah reward him the best of the rewards
> for
> that."
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "Do you have any connection with the incident
> directly?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "I did not recruit Nidal Hasan, but America did
> with its crimes and injustice, and this is what America
> does not want to admit.
> America does not want to admit that what Nidal carried out,
> and what thousands
> of Muslims besides Nidal are doing in fighting against
> America, is because of
> its oppressive policies against the Islamic World. Nidal
> Hasan, before he became
> an American, is a Muslim, and he is also from Palestine and
> he sees what the
> Jews are doing through oppressing his people under American
> cover and support.
> Yes, I may have a role in the intellectual direction of
> Nidal but the matter
> does not exceed that, as I don’t try to disconnect myself
> with what Nidal has
> done because of disagreement with it, but it would be an
> honor to me if I had a
> bigger role in it."
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "You previously spoke with me about
> your correspondence with Nidal, and you gave me the
> original copies of it, and
> throughout looking them over I found that he trusts and
> respects you, and now
> you say that you don’t have a direct or strong relation
> with
> him?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "I spoke with you about it [correspondence] and I
> explained it, and I gave it to you to publish it because
> the American
> Administration has prohibited publishing it. Why do they
> not want it out? What
> is the reason? Do they want to cover their security
> failure? Or, do they not
> want to confess that Nidal Hasan was a man of principle and
> that he did what he
> did as a service to Islam? Do they pose to show it as a
> sudden, individual act
> with no relation to the actions of the criminal American
> Army?"
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "Doyou think that Nidal will face the death
> penalty?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "This is possible, and in any way we pray for
> him that Allah solidifies him on the truth and graces him
> towards what is
> benevolent."
>
> [Al-Jazeera]
> "How do you feel towards that if he was
> executed?"
>
> [al-Awlaki]
> "I ask from Allah to accept him amongst the
> martyrs as he did what he did expecting martyrdom, so if he
> gets executed then
> congratulations to him."
>
>
> Arabic
> http://www.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/1...99B377FE74.htm
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> قولوا
> "لا إله
> إلا الله"
> تفلحوا
>
> "Say, none has the
> right to be worshipped but Allah
> (LailaheIllaAllah) and thus be
> successful."

[Khanman7860]

Those Americans at Fort Hood were going to Afghanistan to kill Muslims, so is it such a bad thing that Major Malik struck first for the Muslims??