Imams to give citizenship lessons

[al-muwahhid]

Imams to give citizenship lessons



Mosques are being urged to provide citizenship lessons for the thousands of youngsters they see daily.

About 100,000 UK youngsters attend Islamic religious schools attached to mosques - madrasas - every day.
A new curriculum aims to tackle extremism and counter messages about perceived clashes between Islam and British culture.
It was drawn up by a group of mosques in Bradford and is being backed by the Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly.
It comes after an independent study into radicalism in local communities by academics at Durham University suggested a "step change" in traditional religious leadership was needed to tackle radicalism.

Read more here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6665317.stm





COMMENT:



Perceived clashes between Islam and British Culture….? Anyone who believes this has definitely got their head in the sand. British culture is a culture of adultery where it is fine to have a sexual relationship with a consenting adult even outside of marriage, it is a culture which is full of drinking alcohol, pubbing and clubbing the night away, it is a culture of teenage pregnancies, is the a culture of bastardised children, it is a culture of freedom as long as it is within the laws (which keep changing), it is a culture which allows marriage between gays and lesbians… And then “Shaykh Tony Blair” and his gang of “Fuqaha” the nerve to tell us there is no clash with Islam? Of course there is, in the Quran and Sunnah all these acts are prohibited and in the sight of a Muslim they are disgusting and decadent. A Muslim should have his inclination in line with the Prophet (Saw) bought and he must love that which Allah (swt) and his Rasool (Saw) love and he must hate that which Allah (swt) and his Rasool (saw) hate.



Please don’t misunderstand or misquote me, 9/11, 7/7, Madrid bombing and killing of innocent civilians anywhere in the world is forbidden in Islam. Yes, there is a problem in the Muslim community there are those who say these acts are permissible but they are a very small minority who have no influence in the society. We can debate with them and show their incorrect understanding to them and everyone else.



However, what is occurring in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Chechnya and other parts of the Muslim land is a legitimate Jihad. There is a difference between defending your land to repel the occupier and killing innocent civilians, defensive Jihad is in fact a duty for those living there to do this. The west would like to call this terrorism and dilute Islam from a complete way of life, which has solutions to all problems, including spiritual, economic, social, political. They would like to remove the message of Khilafah, Shariah and Jihad from Islam and turn it into just the five pillars and a personal worship, just like what they did with Christianity.



Islamic education helps to strengthen community relations, not undermine it. This is the reason why all Teachers Unions do not like to see the rapid growth of Muslim schools after 9/11 and 7/7, they see it as a threat to their way of life as Islamic awareness is on the increase. The war on terror (which is in fact a War on Islam) has “radicalized” Muslims around the world to unprecedented levels of anti-American feeling. The wealthier and better – educated were more likely to be “radicalized”. This is a climate of growing mistrust between Islam and the West. Muslims are a group causing very little terrorism in Europe, while at the same time; Muslims are much more likely to be arrested on suspicion of terrorism. There were 498 incidents in eleven EU countries in 2006. The truth is that only one out of 498 terrorist attacks was carried out by Muslims. But the Western and especially British media are not interested on reporting such incidents. More than half of Muslims were arrested on suspicion of terrorism.



The native children need citizenship education as well as Islamic education because they have no respect and are reluctant to tolerate those who are different. Government figures revealed that the number of pupils suspended from schools for racist abuse rose nearly one-third in a year. The mass media, popular culture and the leading forces in world politics are all mostly hostile to and in their representations of Islam, and Muslims. Identification with Islam is strengthening among young generations of Muslims, both as a reaction to hostility as well as a desire to understand Islam. The brutal colonial history, combined with racism which endemic in the host country, this creates an atmosphere of mistrust.



The media stirs up fear and prejudice towards Islam and reinforce the image of Islam as the enemy, this is what they have been referring to as the “Cold War” or “Long War”. The war against Islam is both physical and intellectual. The Western media is stoking up fear of Islam and rely on “simplistic notion of the battle between cultures.” Lord Falconer’s speech to the National Association of Head teachers’ has many contradictions. He talks about freedom yet he wants to take this freedom from Muslim students. He talks about tolerance yet he encourages intolerance towards Muslims. Jack Straw, Phil Woolas, Bill Rammell, David Davis and the list is endless of the politicians that have created an atmosphere of fear and demonisation towards innocent Muslims. The speech reinforces the discrimination towards Muslims legitimised by the Government and the Lord Chancellor. After all this Muslims are representing these political parties, thinking they can change the system from within, trying to follow the example of the Jews, this isn’t the Sunnah method to change society and so it is doomed to failure.



The British Government has continued to create an atmosphere of hatred and fear since 7/7 towards Muslims. Ant-terror laws, indiscriminate arrests of innocent Muslim youths and demonising Muslims that dresses in certain way. It is the mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the Muslim way of life, not the other way round. One can learn hospitality, tolerance and generosity from Muslims.



Islam isn’t the sickness. It is the cure to all the problems which exist in the world today. Secularists and followers of other religions and other ideologies regard Islam with something approaching panic. It is wrong to say that Islam has turned Osama bin Laden into a devil. It is the Secularist Western policies have turned Osama and others against the West. The world needs Islam to address the moral issues, spiritual Issues and political issues which in essence are human problems. Capitalist America and Europe are wealthy, but they are morally and spiritually impoverished. Broken families, drugs, booze, youth gangs, crime, neglect of children and the old, the inner-cities slums, Capitalism itself, are all the marks of a global society in decline. Children need to be taught to distinguish between right and wrong and this right and wrong can only come from Islam which is the only correct way of life.

[Gabriel]

After all this Muslims are representing these political parties, thinking they can change the system from within, trying to follow the example of the Jews, this isn’t the Sunnah method to change society and so it is doomed to failure.
What is the Sunnah method of changing society?

It is the mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the Muslim way of life, not the other way round. One can learn hospitality, tolerance and generosity from Muslims.
They could learn all this from Christianity too; but they have forsaken Christianity for being too 'restrictive' upon what they regard as their personal freedom, so what hope do you have they will embrace Islam?

[al-muwahhid]

What is the Sunnah method of changing society?

This is the same method that the Prophet (saw) and the Sahaba undertook to change the society. As this is dar-ul-kufr, our priotity is to establish dar-ul-Islam in the Muslim land and it will bring Islam to this land via Jihad. For the time being, as individuals we can continue to give Dawah acording to the rules of Islam.


They could learn all this from Christianity too; but they have forsaken Christianity for being too 'restrictive' upon what they regard as their personal freedom, so what hope do you have they will embrace Islam?

Problem with Christianity as it is today is that it doesn't have comprehensive solutions to economy and politics. For example, what are the rules for inheritence acording to Chrisitianity? What does christianity say about how public utilities are to be distributed? What solutions does Christianity provide for banking and trading? Or does it say nothing about this, leaving man to do what he pleases?

They need to look at their way of life, Capitalism, which is a result of Secularism? They say there is a God but he shouldn't have anything to do with public life? We need to look at how Secularism is a compromise between Christianity and the thinkers who denied the existence of God.

Quote from US Campaign to Supress Islam by Hizb ut Tahrir:
"This creed does not result from a rational process, nor even from a logical one, rather it is a compromise between two contradictory ideas; the idea which the clergy used to call for in the "Medieval Ages", namely the submission of everything in this life to the "Religion", i.e. Christianity and the idea which some thinkers and philosophers called for, namely the denial of the existence of a Creator.

So the idea of detachment of the "Religion" from life is a compromise solution between these two sides. A compromise solution is conceivable between two similar views where there is some disparity, but it is inconceivable to exist between two contradictory views. Either there is a Creator who created man, universe and life and accordingly this discussion will then be about whether this Creator has prescribed a system for man to proceed with, in this worldly life, and Who will account him after death on his adherence to this system, or, there is no Creator and accordingly the religion would not be detached from worldly life but rather would be rejected from it.

But to say there is no importance in the existence or non-existence of a Creator is a matter which does not convince the mind or reassure the nafs (soul). Therefore the mere fact that the Capitalist doctrine is a result of a compromise in an issue which allows no such compromise is enough in itself to refute this doctrine for both those who believe in the existence of a Creator or those who deny His existence.

The decisive rational evidence leads to the conclusion that there is a Creator Who created man, universe and life, and that this Creator has prescribed a system for man to follow in this life and He will account him after death on his adherence to this system. However, the issue at hand is neither to discuss the existence of the Creator nor the system which He set up for man, rather it is to discuss the Capitalist doctrine and to expose its falsehood. In this regard it is enough to establish the falsehood by the fact that this creed is a compromise between two contradictory opinions and that it is not built on reason."


Christianity doesn't have the solutions and that is why they seperated it from the State. Christianity was holding people back in the dark ages, because they believed that if you were born into poverty, then you are to be poor for life. Whereas when Islam was on a state level, Muslims were far more advanced than Europe. Muslims declined when the Islamic State stopped Ijtihad and Jihad.

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[Gabriel]

Problem with Christianity as it is today is that it doesn't have comprehensive solutions to economy and politics. For example, what are the rules for inheritence acording to Chrisitianity? What does christianity say about how public utilities are to be distributed? What solutions does Christianity provide for banking and trading? Or does it say nothing about this, leaving man to do what he pleases?

You're right. Christianity conveys this message and then leaves people to decide to follow God's Law or not.

‘Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?’ He said to him, ‘ “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.” This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.’ Matthew 22:36-40



As this is dar-ul-kufr, our priotity is to establish dar-ul-Islam in the Muslim land and it will bring Islam to this land via Jihad.

Is this Jihad by the Sword?

[al-muwahhid]

Is this Jihad by the Sword?


You could call it that I suppose.. but remember no one is forced to embrace Islam. Purpose of Jihad is spread Islam, purpose of physical fighting is remove the obstacles (i.e. other armies) to the Dawah so non-muslims can easily access Islam and see it in practice without any anti-Islamic media propaganda.

[al-muwahhid]

You're right. Christianity conveys this message and then leaves people to decide to follow God's Law or not.


Ok, what about the person who wants to follow christianity... does God's law according to Christianity of today solve the economic and social problems comprehensively?

[Psychotic]

al muwahhid we have had this discussion with him before gabriel cannot prove christianity to be correct and the religion of god, so he will not entertain a discussion on this premise. As usual he will come out with some shallow comments to defend christianity whilst neglecting the obvious proof of islam's correctness.

[neelu]

I take issue with a comment made in the first post (I see a lot of Muslims make such remarks which I consider to be flippant and inappropriate):


British culture is a culture of adultery where it is fine to have a sexual relationship with a consenting adult even outside of marriage, it is a culture which is full of drinking alcohol, pubbing and clubbing the night away, it is a culture of teenage pregnancies

You have to bear in mind that Islam CONDONES teenage pregnancies obviously as long as they're in the context of a marital relationship therefore it is fornication and adultery we take issue with NOT teenage pregnancy. Teenage pregnancy and zina are not necessarily synonymous.

[al-muwahhid]

I take issue with a comment made in the first post (I see a lot of Muslims make such remarks which I consider to be flippant and inappropriate):


British culture is a culture of adultery where it is fine to have a sexual relationship with a consenting adult even outside of marriage, it is a culture which is full of drinking alcohol, pubbing and clubbing the night away, it is a culture of teenage pregnancies

You have to bear in mind that Islam CONDONES teenage pregnancies obviously as long as they're in the context of a marital relationship therefore it is fornication and adultery we take issue with NOT teenage pregnancy. Teenage pregnancy and zina are not necessarily synonymous.

Salaam,

JazaakAllah for the clarification. However, I was referring to teen preganancies in western society which are not based on a marriage, infact in some cases the mother has no idea who the father is.

I do take your point - it is important to be precise when making a comment to ensure no one misunderstands anything.

[Gabriel]

al-muwahhid.

You are correct about the problems in this country stemming from the marginalising of Christianity by secularism.

There seems to me (unless I misunderstood your reply to my question about 'Jihad by the Sword') to be a tension between your abhorrence of the violence perpetrated on innocents in the bombings mentioned and your seeming support for carrying jihad into traditionally non-Muslim countries. Such jihad must result in the killing of innocents, on both sides.
Surely it would be better to establish Dar al-Islam in the Muslim countries and then to ensure that you shine like a beacon to the rest of the world, spiritually, morally, scientifically and technologically.
You (Muslims) could support the peaceful promotion of Islam and the achievements of the Muslim countries via the Muslims who already live here. You could also promote tourism in the Muslim lands (not haram, surely). This latter would enable Westerners to experience life in advanced, well-ordered, morally and physically safe countries. The message of how superior life is under Islam would not be long in spreading across the world. This, then, must result in a growth in the number of converts who would in turn spread the message, and more importantly would work within their own countries for the establishment of Islam. Surely this would stay true to the Qur'an's 'no compulsion' rule, and ensure that millions* who might die in the jihad live either to choose to surrender to God, or to continue to surrender to Him.

* I say millions because although Britain may be 'lacking in moral fibre' these days, I firmly believe that the Americans and French (to name but two countries) would use nuclear weapons before allowing their lands to be overrun by Muslim armies. The Americans would have done this if they'd faced being overrun by communist armies; after all the feeling in those days was "Better dead than Red". They are no less passionate about 'The American Way' than you are about Islam; and the French have more national pride and disdain for foreigners than any other European country. Coupled with this is the fact that the shame of defeat and occupation by Germany still burns.

[stranger]

Al-Muwahid and neelu there is a place called Coventry. It's a place where people who delibrately refrain from using thought should be sent.
Adress the thinkers.
Ma-Sallam.

[Gabriel]

Tmpuse.
Dawa is for people who use thought.
Al-Muwahid and neelu there is a place called Coventry. It's a place where people who delibrately refrain from using thought should be sent.
Adress the thinkers.
Ma-Sallam.

Although our discussion on another thread became a little 'intense' at one point, I thought it had ended amicably enough with no hard feelings on either side. It seems I was mistaken.

[al-muwahhid]

al-muwahhid.

You are correct about the problems in this country stemming from the marginalising of Christianity by secularism.

There seems to me (unless I misunderstood your reply to my question about 'Jihad by the Sword') to be a tension between your abhorrence of the violence perpetrated on innocents in the bombings mentioned and your seeming support for carrying jihad into traditionally non-Muslim countries.

Jihad will be conducted in the same way it was conducted by the Prophet (saw) where no innocent civilians were targetted. Don't mix up bombs going off on buses in London with Al-Jihad which is the method to bring the non-muslim land under the islamic domain.

Surely it would be better to establish Dar al-Islam in the Muslim countries and then to ensure that you shine like a beacon to the rest of the world, spiritually, morally, scientifically and technologically.

This will also be done just as it was done in the past, which resulted in many places accepting the rule of Islam without any resistance such as Uzbekistan. Also resulted in Jews migrating to the Islamic state during the spanish inquisition.

[Gabriel]

Jihad will be conducted in the same way it was conducted by the Prophet (saw) where no innocent civilians were targetted. Don't mix up bombs going off on buses in London with Al-Jihad which is the method to bring the non-muslim land under the islamic domain.

I don't mix them up. I'm not so sure the bereaved families of the victims of Al-Jihad will appreciate being told that their dead mothers and children weren't actually targeted, though. The Americans in Iraq didn't and don't actively pursue a policy of targeting women and children either, but that's not much comfort to the victims of 'collateral damage'. Is a Muslim soldier any more likely than any other soldier to withhold from destroying a building from which he believes he is being fired upon because it happens to be a block of flats and therefore may be occupied by civilians?
Forgive me if I sound blunt, but you live in the same fantasy land as all naive civilians if you think modern war can ever be an exact science, with only the bad guys and (some of) the heroes dying. The Americans tried to peddle that lie in 2003. The Israelis regularly kill innocents in their targeted strikes against Palestinian commanders.


This will also be done just as it was done in the past, which resulted in many places accepting the rule of Islam without any resistance such as Uzbekistan.
Americans and many Europeans will never accept foreign occupation and rule (even by proxy), any more than the Iraqis accept it. Will the Chinese, do you think?

Also resulted in Jews migrating to the Islamic state during the spanish inquisition.

Can you really see Jews seeking or being given succor in any modern Muslim state, whether it be part of the Khilafa or not? Jewish-Muslim relations in the 21st century are not what they were in the 7th.

The truth is, in the modern world holy war to establish Dar al-Islam across the planet can only result in misery and suffering for millions of innocents.

[Psychotic]

gabriel the islamic army would not target women or children unless they were involved within the fighting. You cannot compare like to like with the coward armies of the west. who bomb entire villages from the air knowing full well there are civillians there who are not associated with the fighting. Look back to fallujah.

Taking out a building where you are being fighting from without the intention of killing civillians is not the same as taking out a building where you suspect your enemies are hiding.

The fact of both the american and british army in iraq is that these are coward nations who do not partake in a fight against the army. They would take out an entire village just to make sure they get one person. So when islam does come to the west it will be pretty easy to take over.

[Gabriel]

gabriel the islamic army would not target women or children unless they were involved within the fighting. You cannot compare like to like with the coward armies of the west. who bomb entire villages from the air knowing full well there are civillians there who are not associated with the fighting. Look back to fallujah.

Taking out a building where you are being fighting from without the intention of killing civillians is not the same as taking out a building where you suspect your enemies are hiding.

The fact of both the american and british army in iraq is that these are coward nations who do not partake in a fight against the army. They would take out an entire village just to make sure they get one person. So when islam does come to the west it will be pretty easy to take over.


You obviously have no experience of war. You should thank God for your good fortune.

[Psychotic]

so you going to make some more excuses for your guys then?

[Gabriel]

I excuse noone. Only God may do that.
But you are naive if you really believe that a Muslim army would behave any differently to any other army. These tactics are used to save the lives of their soldiers. Muslims believe that the lives, goods and wealth of all Kuffar are yours for the taking. Why would any Muslim soldier risk his life in an attempt to prevent casualties among enemy women and children? If you're unlucky enough to find out about war the hard way, you'll come to understand that all war is evil.

[al-istiqamah.com]

Imams to give citizenship lessons

Mosques are being urged to provide citizenship lessons for the thousands of youngsters they see daily.



That's already done on a weekly basis at Jumu'ah



Politically Correct Khutbas (http://al-istiqamah.com/IF/BritKhut.htm)

"Imams, while we’re on the subject, fall into two prevalent groups, with very few exceptions. The first type is the Imam who behaves as if he is attending his citizenship ceremony rather than delivering a khutbah. A strong South Asian accent will emphatically proclaim “This country is very good. Very nice. Good for Muslims.” The obligatory side-to-side head waggling punctuates such patriotic pronouncements..."

[al-istiqamah.com]

Imams to give citizenship lessons

Mosques are being urged to provide citizenship lessons for the thousands of youngsters they see daily.



That's already done on a weekly basis at Jumu'ah



Politically Correct Khutbas (http://al-istiqamah.com/IF/BritKhut.htm)

"Imams, while we’re on the subject, fall into two prevalent groups, with very few exceptions. The first type is the Imam who behaves as if he is attending his citizenship ceremony rather than delivering a khutbah. A strong South Asian accent will emphatically proclaim “This country is very good. Very nice. Good for Muslims.” The obligatory side-to-side head waggling punctuates such patriotic pronouncements..."

[stranger]

Very true.
Look at last week. More than one hundred Palestinians lost their lives at the brutal hands of the bloodthirsty regime of the state of Israel. In retaliation a Palestinian diguised as a Rabbi killed 8 Jewish students at a Jewish college.
The idiotic MP David Milliband condemned the Palestinian and said that Israel has the right to defend itself.
In the Friday khutba of the same week the Imam spoke about the fact that alcohol is prohibited. Nothing else was mentioned just that alcohol is prohibited. As if we didn't know.
The Mosques have become places for gangters to collect money from the congregation similar to what the Catholic church used to do befrore the reformation.
We need to go back to basics and organise mass distribution of literature, stalls, loud speakers, demonstrations and so on condemning these santimonious hypocrites for what they really are.
They are the enemies of Allah, the Messenger, Islam and Muslims.
They have the power in their hands to change the world and they have sold their soul to the pound sterling.

[stranger]

Very true.
Look at last week. More than one hundred Palestinians lost their lives at the brutal hands of the bloodthirsty regime of the state of Israel. In retaliation a Palestinian diguised as a Rabbi killed 8 Jewish students at a Jewish college.
The idiotic MP David Milliband condemned the Palestinian and said that Israel has the right to defend itself.
In the Friday khutba of the same week the Imam spoke about the fact that alcohol is prohibited. Nothing else was mentioned just that alcohol is prohibited. As if we didn't know.
The Mosques have become places for gangters to collect money from the congregation similar to what the Catholic church used to do befrore the reformation.
We need to go back to basics and organise mass distribution of literature, stalls, loud speakers, demonstrations and so on condemning these santimonious hypocrites for what they really are.
They are the enemies of Allah, the Messenger, Islam and Muslims.
They have the power in their hands to change the world and they have sold their soul to the pound sterling.

[stranger]

Very true.
Look at last week. More than one hundred Palestinians lost their lives at the brutal hands of the bloodthirsty regime of the state of Israel. In retaliation a Palestinian diguised as a Rabbi killed 8 Jewish students at a Jewish college.
The idiotic MP David Milliband condemned the Palestinian and said that Israel has the right to defend itself.
In the Friday khutba of the same week the Imam spoke about the fact that alcohol is prohibited. Nothing else was mentioned just that alcohol is prohibited. As if we didn't know.
The Mosques have become places for gangters to collect money from the congregation similar to what the Catholic church used to do befrore the reformation.
We need to go back to basics and organise mass distribution of literature, stalls, loud speakers, demonstrations and so on condemning these santimonious hypocrites for what they really are.
They are the enemies of Allah, the Messenger, Islam and Muslims.
They have the power in their hands to change the world and they have sold their soul to the pound sterling.